' I was out this Sunday picking sticks up out of the backyard to tidy up a bit '
Sundays are OK. Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is the really dangerous time! (Tongue in cheek, honestly!)
Joe Grundy
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What finally pushed you over the edge?
by keyser soze inwas there one issue or incident, final straw, so-to-speak, that made you leave once and for all?
i know there was for me.. i had been having doubts for years, and had stopped believing it was the truth.
but i labored on as a jw, in part because of my family, and in part because i had invested so much of myself in it.
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Why do Witnesses think the world is so bad? Here's another reason
by BonaFide ini know the fact that the publications say the world is bad, and the beginning of so many public talks.
and the introductions in the field ministry.. but here is something i have been thinking about.. jw's are not exposed to people from all walks of life.
growing up in the truth, most of the bro's in my hall worked in construction, cleaning, office workers, or ups.
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Joe Grundy
One thing that strikes me is that AFAIK JW is an extremely prescriptive religion/organisation, in that even those matters that are not laid down in writing are attempted to be influenced by custom or a 'guiding word'. It also sees itself as a global religion and that the laws/principles of it's god transcend those of governments. I know that there have been examples of those conflicts in the past.
Here's an example. Having sex with under-age minors is bad. An easy statement to agree with. But ... what is under-age? In the UK the age of consent is 16. In France 15. In the US I believe it varies from state to state with the minimum age for marriage being as low as 13 (NH or somewhere?). So if my son was 18 and bedded a 15 year old girl he would be a sex offender in UK, a lucky guy in France, and anything between one and the other in US depending on where he was.
This is a bit philosophical for 7:45 am local time but I think about these things in my idle moments (good and bad I mean, not potentially under-age sex). I was for a long time in a job that made me very judgemental and legalistic in my opinions. Since I retired I see things in a much broader perspective and I suspect that 'retirement' for me may not be so much different from 'leaving the organisation' for ex-JWs.
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Why do Witnesses think the world is so bad? Here's another reason
by BonaFide ini know the fact that the publications say the world is bad, and the beginning of so many public talks.
and the introductions in the field ministry.. but here is something i have been thinking about.. jw's are not exposed to people from all walks of life.
growing up in the truth, most of the bro's in my hall worked in construction, cleaning, office workers, or ups.
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Joe Grundy
I'd be interested in answers to this question.
As your experience has broadened, especially those who have left the Jws or other religions, have you become less judgemental? In other words, do you believe (as I do) that the dividing line between 'bad' and 'good' is far less defined than you once thought?
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Why do Witnesses think the world is so bad? Here's another reason
by BonaFide ini know the fact that the publications say the world is bad, and the beginning of so many public talks.
and the introductions in the field ministry.. but here is something i have been thinking about.. jw's are not exposed to people from all walks of life.
growing up in the truth, most of the bro's in my hall worked in construction, cleaning, office workers, or ups.
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Joe Grundy
(I am not, and never have been, a JW).
'The world' is neutral. Some people are mostly bad, some are mostly good, and most people are somewhere in between. IMHO the 'badness' or 'goodness' seems to have little to do with what (if any) religion people follow.
I think BonaFide has a very valid point, especially for 'born-ins' or those who were brought in at a very early age. I'd put this forward as an analogy. The reason (I believe) why so many in-family child abusers get away with it for so long is that the victim knows nothing else and accepts the behaviour as normal. It is common, ime, that it is only when the victim reaches an age (or through other circumstances) when they have a wider experience of the outside do they realise the truth. For this reason some abusers may try to limit the victim's contact with the outside world and and try to pre-condition them to believe that the abusive family is the 'normal' one.
Sound familiar?
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Accidental Instantaneous Sex
by rebel8 inthe litter-ature over the years has teachings that imply jehovah's special people are all on the verge of having unplanned sex on a moment's notice, with anyone, at any time.. you must have a chaperone if you are to be alone with someone of the opposite sex, even briefly.. this applies to people of any ages.
you could be a 99-year-old raisin whose flagpole hasn't risen since rutherford was living in beth sarim, but you still shouldn't be alone with a pimply 16-year-old shy obese virgin who still plays with barbie dolls.
she's a seductress!
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Joe Grundy
Middleman:
Point taken. I should more accurately have said 'to provide a degree of protection'.
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Accidental Instantaneous Sex
by rebel8 inthe litter-ature over the years has teachings that imply jehovah's special people are all on the verge of having unplanned sex on a moment's notice, with anyone, at any time.. you must have a chaperone if you are to be alone with someone of the opposite sex, even briefly.. this applies to people of any ages.
you could be a 99-year-old raisin whose flagpole hasn't risen since rutherford was living in beth sarim, but you still shouldn't be alone with a pimply 16-year-old shy obese virgin who still plays with barbie dolls.
she's a seductress!
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Joe Grundy
Protection is there to just give a pause to human imperfection on this.
No it's not - it's to provide protection from AIDS, STDs and unwanted pregnancy.
IMHO that should be number 1 priority before worrying about religious or other considerations and hang-ups.
(May be difficult, of course, if the sex really is accidental and instantaneous.)
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Going Back
by rathfear inthis is going to sound somewhat crazy.
having faded completely around two years ago i found myself with new found freedom and if was fun.
i developed new friendships and hobbies and did some stuff that was frowned upon by those in the truth.
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Joe Grundy
I have never been a JW.
May I respectfully suggest that your issues are less about religion and perhaps more to do with own level of self-confidence and self-esteem? That you believe you may feel more comfortable within the organisation because its a place you know, even though you're not really happy with it?
Others here who know than I do may suggest to you that this may not be an uncommon feeling, especially in view of your unsatisfactory experiences with some 'worldly' people. And they may suggest that if you return you will come to regret it.
Good luck.
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Accidental Instantaneous Sex
by rebel8 inthe litter-ature over the years has teachings that imply jehovah's special people are all on the verge of having unplanned sex on a moment's notice, with anyone, at any time.. you must have a chaperone if you are to be alone with someone of the opposite sex, even briefly.. this applies to people of any ages.
you could be a 99-year-old raisin whose flagpole hasn't risen since rutherford was living in beth sarim, but you still shouldn't be alone with a pimply 16-year-old shy obese virgin who still plays with barbie dolls.
she's a seductress!
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Joe Grundy
Use extreme caution when approaching!
I certainly agree with that advice. Control barriers to be used.
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Accidental Instantaneous Sex
by rebel8 inthe litter-ature over the years has teachings that imply jehovah's special people are all on the verge of having unplanned sex on a moment's notice, with anyone, at any time.. you must have a chaperone if you are to be alone with someone of the opposite sex, even briefly.. this applies to people of any ages.
you could be a 99-year-old raisin whose flagpole hasn't risen since rutherford was living in beth sarim, but you still shouldn't be alone with a pimply 16-year-old shy obese virgin who still plays with barbie dolls.
she's a seductress!
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Joe Grundy
I noticed their right hands was twitching a lot
Always their right hands, Mouthy? Do WTBTS even have rules about that? Bit rough on southpaws, isn't it?
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Tell us about the offbeat people you have had in your congregation
by BonaFide inwe had a brother once in my sisters' hall who would preach downtown with old watchtowers and awakes, i mean like 15 year old magazines, and he would sell them above cost.
even after the donation system went info effect, he would still sell them.
the elders tried to talk to him about it, but he could never really have a normal conversation.
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Joe Grundy
'Geez I missed out on Jesus second coming.'
This has nothing to do with JWs but I can report that I have met Jesus, or rather two of them. Both were in an acute psychiatric unit at the same time (which caused some arguments, I can tell you).
One could prove that he was the real Jesus. How? The UK National TV Licensing Records Office had in its wisdom issued him with a TV licence in the name 'Mr J Christ'.
(His son was in the Unit at the same time too, por lad. His hobby was setting fire to ladies' public toilets and himself. He was found in bed with a young lady fellow patient one day and was most indignant that he had to get out, on the grounds that they had been reading the bible together so it was a mutually beneficial occupation).